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So You Don't Want to Go to Church Anymore: An Unexpected Journey [Wayne Jacobsen, Dave Coleman] on desertcart.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. So You Don't Want to Go to Church Anymore: An Unexpected Journey Review: Worth it! - One of the BEST books I've ever read! Review: A must read for believers and nonbelievers - This book inspires you to think and learn about Jesus in an entertaining way- whether you go to church or not. Brought Jesus to life for me. I felt Him in my spirit and it has stayed with me unlike any sermon
| Best Sellers Rank | #141,624 in Books ( See Top 100 in Books ) #150 in Contemporary Christian Fiction (Books) #843 in Christian Evangelism (Books) #1,951 in Christian Spiritual Growth (Books) |
| Customer Reviews | 4.6 4.6 out of 5 stars (1,168) |
| Dimensions | 5.25 x 1.1 x 7.95 inches |
| Edition | First Edition |
| Grade level | Preschool and up |
| ISBN-10 | 0964729229 |
| ISBN-13 | 978-0964729223 |
| Item Weight | 2.31 pounds |
| Language | English |
| Print length | 192 pages |
| Publication date | September 2, 2008 |
| Publisher | Windblown Media |
B**E
Worth it!
One of the BEST books I've ever read!
B**E
A must read for believers and nonbelievers
This book inspires you to think and learn about Jesus in an entertaining way- whether you go to church or not. Brought Jesus to life for me. I felt Him in my spirit and it has stayed with me unlike any sermon
D**Y
Highly recommended
Just finished this book. I would recommend it to anyone who is beginning to, in the process of, or has already gone through a detox of church. There are a lot of accusations made by people who left one star reviews, and I believe they are very mistaken. This book probably isn't for people who are die-hard in trying to build churches. I genuinely believe that MOST people who try to "start a church" are doing it out of a real desire to lead people to Christ. But by nature of what institutional churches are, this goal will always ultimately fail. I was part of a church plant that I thought was really on fire for God and was going to "do great things for God." I spent a lot of time and money working alongside them. It took several years, but I eventually realized that what started as one thing eventually turned into another as the burdens of the institution, of salaries, or prestige, or power came to light. My pastor at the time, I later found out, had a lot of expectations put on him to become a pastor and had a deeply seated need to be seen as a successful pastor. Many of the musicians, who I was very close with, had a very deep desire to be on stage, to be seen, to be adored. Churches are places of mutual accommodation of self-need. The CHURCH is just the body. Our Shepherd is Jesus. We are a family. But these institutions (created by men and women who are driven by their needs to prove something to God and to others) distort the body. You don't need a big building to do this, you can use a house (which is why this has nothing to do with the building). The purpose of this book is to bring us back to having a living, day to day relationship with our Dad. To trust Him with everything. Only then will the Church be truly set free to be a light. This book isn't about form. It isn't about "doing church right." It's about knowing Father. For all of the people who are ragging on this book because "well it tells us we aren't doing church right," we really need to take a step back and examine the things we say (it's not just semantics). There's no good way to "do church" except to know the Father and walk with him. But that statement purposefully excludes" doing" things. The Holy Spirit is dynamic. You can't reduce God down to a set of principles and believe you are following him because you have your little law. You can't reduce his moves into a formula that you can repeat and get the same results. That's what "churches" do. They are organizations of men and women who believe that they can build the Church (capital C) by teaching principles, managing behavior, and managing a process that will always produce results. It's a fundamentally dangerous idea. In a world that needs relationship with Father, we have instead turned to law (rules, commitment, obligation, principles) and teach people that this is the way to know God... when in fact, it is not... and if God meets someone in the course of those things, it's in spite of it, not because of it. If you are one of those people who are beginning to see that there are fundamental problems with "church," pick this book up and give it a read. You might not be agreeing with it all. I wouldn't have if I read it at the beginning, or before I saw the problems. But if your desire is to know the Father no matter what the cost... then tell Him. If you're serious about it... you'll be in for a surprise. This book is about a journey that many of us have gone through. The authors have gone through it and are living this life. I'm going through it now. Millions are going through it. They are seeing that church as an institution is foundationally a flawed and ultimately abusive system that cannot produce the life of God in us. They are seeking the truth.
M**N
Have you been hurt, neglected, or taken for granted? This book is for you; it brings focus on healing and building relationships
This book found me just in time; right at that time I had a serious blow dealt to me from church leadership. I am so glad that the author wrote the book and did such a good job on the audio version. I recommend that you listen to it. For me that is a tough thing, I really prefer to read, but a friend insisted that I listen to it. The book uses a clever device to move the reader from one truth to another. Every one who reads this will have a different walk away but one thing that should be evident to all readers is that things can change, that things can be different; that the experience of being a part of the church doesn't have to hurt. Our thinking about how we use church instead of being in relationship with all of these fellow believers is at the crux. The book is gentle in its exhortation and yet firm in the truth of what it means to be in the body of Christ. Jesus loves the church. He loves the people in the church, even the ones who harm us. We have to care more about the relationships that we have than protecting ourselves and protecting our great works, buildings, and programs. I found the ideas in the book liberating and it help me rewire a very difficult experience.
A**E
Changed the entire way I viewed "Church"
Seldom in my life have I read a book that managed to hold me captive on almost every page; where I simply had to read another chapter before I went to sleep and that shook my little boat in a dangerously good way. "SO YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO CHURCH ANYMORE?" is such a book. It's a must read for anybody who has wondered if the life and freedom that Jesus had died for, was for more than just religious duty and Sunday routine. Jake, an associate pastor at a local church in Kingston, overhears a man called John (whom he believes may be the actual apostle John) interrupt a crowd of people on the street who had been arguing about church related issues and about Jesus, slinging insults each other's way. John's words to the crowd shook Jake to the core of his belief system, for he'd never hear anybody talk about Jesus like John, as if they'd actually met Him. Months later he runs into John again in a park during his lunch break, and so begins Jake's journey of realising just how screwed up the "church system" had become. He realised how his own love for Jesus had slowly faded over the years and had sought to bury himself in his ministry to avoid having to deal with his emotions. He thought that going into full time ministry would help him realise his dreams, but after 4 years they simply kept eluding him. The same thing happened to his parents years earlier in their lives when they were expelled from their old church (which they saw as persecution) and started a new one. Jake was telling their story to John: "Since they were no longer welcome at their church, they decided to start a new one together. The first gathering brought more than 80 people crammed into a small house. The atmosphere was electric. They decided to get organized, rent a building and hire a pastor." Then for the first time I saw it so clearly. "And it slowly died." I muttered, astonished at the realization. To which John replied: "They were so distracted by all the work that they soon lost that joy of simply loving Jesus. Strange isn't it, that forming something into what they thought was a church could do what persecution couldn't?" (p. 20). The modern church has replaced the Old Testament laws (for example circumcision) with modern manmade rules, such as cooperating with the church program, subtly using guilt, conformity and manipulation to control its attendees. As John rightly states: "Anything will lead people away from God's life, as long as it preoccupies them enough to serve as an adequate substitute for the real thing. It's easier to see the problem when the standard is circumcision in Ephesus than when it is Sunday morning attendance in Kingston" (p. 21). John never gave out his contact details, always insisting that they would run into each other again if they were meant to. Several months later John paid Jake a surprise visit during the Sunday morning sermon at their church. Jake was supposed to oversee the sound system, but snuck out during the sermon, wanting to desperately chat with John, whose words had lately actually brought him more frustration than anything else. As they walked past the bulletin boards displaying all the church's programs and activities, it became clear to Jake that the "church system" thrived on the efforts of its members. John shed truth on the matter: "One of the most significant lessons Jesus taught his disciples was to stop looking for God's life in the regimen of rituals and rules. He came not to refurbish their religion, but to offer them a relationship. Were all those healings on the Sabbath, and the recording of them, just a coincidence that he found more sick people then? Of course not! He wanted his disciples to know that the rules and traditions of men get in the way of the power and life of his Father. And it can be pretty captivating too, because we all do what we do thinking it pleases God. No prison is as strong as religious obligation. It takes us captive even while we're patting ourselves on the back" (p. 33). Lots of church leaders see themselves as moral policemen who are there to make their members "better Christians". John pointed out the problem with this approach: "Who is going to draw near to God if he's always trying to catch people at their worst moments, or always punishing them for their failures? We're too weak for a God like that. We use guilt to conform people's behavior, never realizing the same guilt will keep them far from God." "That's why Jesus' death is so threatening to those bred in religious obligation. If you were sick of it, and realized that it alone couldn't open the doors to the relationship your heart cried out for, the cross was the greatest news of all. If, however, you made your living or earned your status in the system, the cross was a scandal. Now we can be loved without doing one thing to earn it." Jake then posed the number one objection to the gospel of Grace: "But won't people misuse that as an excuse to serve themselves?" To which John replied: "Of course, but just because people abuse something doesn't make it wrong. If they want to live to themselves, it doesn't matter that they claim some kind of false grace. But to people who really want to know God, he's the only one who can open the door" (p. 35). Each of Jake and John's subsequent meetings happened months apart, running into each other in the most unexpected places. During these meetings Jake's religious mindset repeatedly got offended by John's unexpected answers to his piercing questions and statements. Lots of manmade traditions get exposed in the subsequent chapters, such as John's opinion on people being involved in so called "accountability groups": "All the accountability in Scripture is linked to God, not to other brothers and sisters. When we hold each other accountable we are really usurping God's place. It's why we end up hurting each other so deeply" (p. 40). Since their last conversation, Jake had been trying to implement the things he'd heard from John at his own church, with disastrous results. John told him why it hadn't been working: "Jake, if you listen to anything else I say, listen to this: Don't use our conversations to try to change others. I'm only trying to help you learn to live in God's freedom. Until they are looking for the same things you are, people will not understand and you'll be accused of far worse. You're trying to live what I said without letting God make it real in you. It won't work that way. You'll just end up hurting a lot of people and hurting yourself in the process" (p. 44). In another meeting John pointed out the problem with churches having turned into institutions: "...institutions can only reflect God's love as long as those in it agree on what they're doing. Every difference of opinion becomes a contest for power" (p. 49). Standing up for the truth eventually brought Jake to several crossroads, put him in very precarious positions and left him having to make some tough decisions. The plot thickens with every chapter and it gets harder and harder to put the book down. Eventually Jake has to make up his mind to leave the church and possibly start a home church, but even with that comes the danger of simply substituting one system for another, as John points out: "If this is another place for you to find your identity and to bury your shame by thinking you've got a better way to do it than anyone else, then you're sating the same thirst, just from a different fountain" (p. 71). I'm not going to give away the entire plot - the book ends way too well to do that! You can order this book or download the free 1.9MB electronic copy in PDF format here: [...] In Grace Andre van der Merwe PS: Leave comments about this review at our website: [...]
K**R
A wonderfully challenging book that opens up new alternatives to the traditional yet ineffective way we do church. It puts the emphasis back onto our father and his son Jesus and exposed the flawed thinking we have grown up with in institutional congregations.
R**E
This is a novel and easy to read, apart from the challenging topics which keep arising. It is worth reading through, and then again but stopping to think through the issues it raises….and there will be many. It is especially encouraging for those who long for more than they are presently experiencing and demonstrates a way of living in relationship with Jesus and other believers that is so clearly expressed in Matthew 11 v28.
B**S
Wayne Jacobsen hat eine tiefe Einsicht darüber was die heutige Gemeinde in Ketten hält und welche Lösung es dafür gibt.
O**E
This book changed my life. As a Christian I've often wondered, "What wrong with me? Why am I not getting this church thing, why does it so often drain me instead of give me life? It must be me." This book helped me see what Jesus meant by the church, people doing life with Jesus and each other, period. Buildings, institutions, creeds, program, can have their place, but only if they facilitate the relationships that church is about. Instead of taking the shape of a theological book or a "how to", the authors share the simple biblical truths through a story, which appealed to me immensely. Just as Jesus used parables, so the story of Jake and John conveys powerful truth about what it means to live the life Jesus has for us. I've shared this book with others and a small group formed and we have discovered a life in Jesus that we've never known before. We still "go to church", but the reality is that church is just people following Jesus together, and it happens every day, in multiple ways. If you're burned out on church, religion, trying to be good enough, and longing for authenticity and real relationships, this book will open your eyes to the beauty and simplicity of what church really is!
K**T
Zeer verfrissend, geeft heel veel stof tot nadenken, hoe het allemaal anders kan én de essentie van geloven en Jezus volgen/vertrouwen.
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